have you ever wondered why the batman refuses to kill the joker? | answers


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have you ever wondered why the batman ends up failing to kill the joker (a super villain ) even though he has the power to do so ? well personally I’m tired of watching movies where the joker commits crimes ,kills innocent people and does all sorts of evil things only to be set free by batman ,and the worst is that even when he is locked up by batman in the prison he always ends up escaping to commit. even greater atrocities. why doesn’t the batman just kill him knowing fully well that the death of Mr joker will lead to the safety and well being of the entire society?


well I decided to ask the question on quora but another gentleman had already done that and below is a compilation of the best answers that I got!

answer by Mr Jessy Richards:

Because the Joker wins if Batman kills him.
That’s what the Joker wants. Everything he
does is to taunt Batman into killing him. In
fact, the interesting part of their relationship,
the real conflict of each story, is not to see if
Batman will stop him (he will), but to watch
Batman struggle with not killing him, because
anyone other than Batman would of course kill
him. This self-control is Batman’s superpower.
The Joker and Batman are each trying to prove
a point to society – and really to us, the
readers. The Joker wants Batman to kill him
because he perfectly embodies chaos and
anarchy, and wants to prove a point to
everyone that people are basically more
chaotic than orderly. This is why he is so
scary: we are worried he may be right. If the
Joker is right, then civilization is a ruse and
we are all truly monsters inside. If the Joker
can prove that Batman – the most orderly and
logical and self-controlled of all of us – is a
monster inside, then we are all monsters
inside, and that is terrifying. The Joker is
terrifying because we fear that we are like him
deep down – that he is us. Batman is what we
(any average person) could be at our absolute
best, and the Joker is what we could be at our
absolute worst. The Joker’s claim is that we
are all terrible deep down, and it is only the
law and our misplaced sense of justice that
keeps us in line. Since Batman isn’t confined
by the law, he is a perfect test case to try to
get him to “break”. The Joker wants Batman
to kill a person, any person, but knows that
the only person Batman might ever even
remotely consider killing would have to be a
terrible monster, so is willing to do this
himself and sacrifice himself to prove this
macabre point. Batman needs to prove that it
is not just laws that keep us in line, but basic
human decency and our natural instinct NOT
to kill. If Batman can prove this, then others
will be inspired by his example (the citizens of
Gotham, but again, also the readers), just as
we are all inspired every day to keep
civilization running smoothly and not descend
into violence, anarchy, and chaos. This ability
to be decent in the face of the horrors and
temptations present all around us is
humanity’s superpower, the superpower of
each of us. The struggle of Batman and the
Joker is the internal struggle of each of us.
But we are inspired by Batman’s example, not
the Joker’s, because Batman always wins the
argument, because he has not killed the Joker.
This basic logic applies to all superheroes who
don’t kill, but the Joker-Batman conflict is the
most perfectly distilled example. There are a
lot of other good answers on this page, and
they are all different-but-correct ways of
looking at the question, but to me, the
philosophical and thematic reasons above are
more resonant than the plot and character
reasons that exist within the logic of the
story.

second answer by Mr mark hughes
Put simply, Batman doesn’t commit murder,
because he refuses to intentionally take a life
with his own hands and become an
executioner. The basic answer is easy enough
to articulate. But the reason behind it is very
complicated.
Bruce Wayne witnessed the simple power of
taking a life, when he was a child watching
his parents die in front of him. The act itself is
easy, something anyone can really do if they
want to, but the impact of murder is complex
and monumental, because the implications of
an execution last forever.
Joe Chill shot Bruce’s parents in a moment of
fear and desperation, just to grab some money
and without the intention of taking anyone’s
life — but his simple act of reflexively pulling
a trigger, in a split second, forever changed
the world through the ripples it sent out,
taking the Waynes from the world and ending
Thomas Wayne’s medical practice and the
parents’ philanthropy, and of course sending
Bruce on a path inescapably toward becoming
Batman.
Bruce is aware of this with every fiber of his
being. He relives that murder in his darkest
moments, and it is in the memory and honor
of his parents that he fights to make their city
a better place. He can never become the thing
that struck them down, a murderer who takes
the simple path that sends out those endless
ripples. The purposeful taking of another
human life, to assume the power and
responsibility of forever ending a life, is the
defining event against which Batman rose to
resist. The moment he takes a life, he has lost
his reason to exist, because he will have
become the very thing he was born to end.
Bruce accepts that he must be a criminal, a
vigilante, to do his work. But this he accepts
as an unavoidable element of his mission —
to stand against the peculiar and very special
circumstances of Gotham’s corruption that
reaches to the highest government offices and
taints the justice system and law enforcement,
Batman would necessarily have to operate
outside of the legal system. To be free of
outside influences and accountable only to
himself and his mission, too, required being
an outlaw of sort.
But this lack of accountability is also a
burden, and it means he must carefully weigh
his actions and police himself as much as he
polices the city — and he is well aware that
without any other accountability or authority,
he must restrict himself from actions that go
too far and that are outside the ultimate goal
of standing for the ideal of the rule of law as a
social contract. A man accountable only to
himself might be able to excuse actions that
can be corrected or amended if he is wrong,
but when he is answerable only to himself, the
temptation to weigh the lives of others and to
deal out judgment as a God deciding the
ultimate fate of victims, is too much. A line
must be drawn, or there will eventually be no
line at all and no limitation on his own
actions, because he will stop being
accountable even to himself if does not hold
himself accountable for the irreversible and
absolute exercise of authority over life and
death.
It is easy — too easy — to think that yes, the
Joker has killed so many victims and escaped
so many times, the only way to make him stop
killing innocent civilians is to just kill him. In
Frank Miller’s The Dark Knight Returns , there
is a great moment when, after the Joker has
detonated a hidden bomb in an apartment
complex, Batman thinks to himself that he will
stay and help the police pull people out of the
rubble and do the best he can, and then he’ll
count the dead and add them to the list of all
of the people he himself has murdered by
letting the Joker live. So Batman doesn’t fail
to understand the horrible math involved, the
terrible moral trap that presents itself the
moment he begins to let himself even consider
the possibility of killing the Joker in order to
save future lives.
[Let me take a moment to comment on that
last point, just to be clear: it is ONLY in the
context of preventing future presumed
murders, of course, that we can even begin to
talk about the moral dilemma of “why doesn’t
Batman kill the Joker,” because the notion of
killing the Joker out of revenge or to make him
pay for his past crimes doesn’t enter into the
equation. Punishment isn’t what Batman is
about, it’s not his mission, it’s not his mental
frame of reference for what he does and why
he does it. And he does on some level realize
that the Joker’s madness and psychosis are
so absolute and pure, “punishment” itself is an
irrational response to someone who exists
beyond such concepts like the Joker. It is only
the idea of killing the Joker to preserve other
lives in the future, then, that we are talking
about here.]
While Batman realizes the implications of the
mathematical calculations, that refusing to
execute the Joker will almost surely mean
more innocent deaths if the Joker escapes
again (and he always does, eventually), he
also realizes that if the point is that the
Joker’s life isn’t as valuable as the lives of his
victims — so much so that the mere CHANCE
of more victims is enough to justify murdering
the Joker — then a single innocent life should
be enough to justify murdering the Joker. It
cannot be a case of weighing the number of
innocent lives, if innocent life is so precious it
justifies murder then even one should be too
many, since the equation is one life (a
victim’s) versus one life (the Joker’s).
And if one innocent life is too valuable, and
would justify taking the life of a killer, then
the same equation applies to most of
Batman’s other arch villains as well. And it
applies to the mobsters. And it applies to any
killers. And, if the equation is one in which the
likelihood and chance of future victims is
enough to justify murdering someone to stop
the potential/likelihood of future victims, then
rationally chronic drunk drivers and armed
robbers and many others also qualify.
Which is where the lack of a prohibition
means the lack of a clear line, which means
the lack of ANY line, which means the lack of
any accountability other than himself
necessarily leads — irresistibly and
unstoppably — to lack of accountability even
to himself. He becomes absolute, and murder
of anyone becomes justifiable. Because once
you’ve justified the above examples, you place
in your own hands a presumption of moral
certainty (which you MUST presume, you
MUST feel with absolute certainty, or you can
never trust yourself to begin murdering based
on who you believe should be murdered) that
will eventually lead to the same certainty
about your best guess, about your gut feeling,
and the basic minimum standard becomes so
arbitrary that there IS no minimum standard
anymore. Once the idea enters your head that
a person should die, your absolute moral
authority, without accountability whatsoever,
means you can find a reason to kill them if
you wish to do so.
That is the logical progression, in the context
of one man placing himself beyond all outside
accountability and authority, and granting
himself the latitude to judge when it is
acceptable to murder other people. The
mathematics is a ruse, a distraction to tempt
and allow that first taste of blood, that first
deceptively easy step across a line that
vanishes forever once you cross it. If the loss
of innocent life is enough reason to execute
another life judged not innocent, then one
innocent life becomes enough reason to
execute another life judged less innocent.
Batman knows this, because he lives it every
day — he lives it by watching it transpire in
Gotham, by fighting it when it manifests daily
in the villains and in the hearts of ordinary
citizens and in the minds of cops with a
badge and a gun and a creeping sense that
it’s so easy to justify taking a life to stop
future wrongdoing. But most of all, he lives it
because it resides in his own mind, every
single day, when he must remember that
terrible moment as a child when he watched
another man make the calculation of Bruce’s
parents’ lives versus a few dollar bills. And he
lives it because within his own heart, he hears
that little whisper tempting him to cross the
line, with the Joker or with the Penguin or
with the mobsters or with a serial killer.
So he refuses to become a murderer, because
he knows that murdering the Joker leads to
murdering all of them, making each killing
easier than the last. And that casts him as the
very thing that created him, as the thing he
fights against, because at that point the only
difference between Batman and the Joker
would be that Batman thinks he’s able to
justify his own murders.
A final point to consider is this: Batman was
“created” because a young child’s parents
were killed by a criminal, so what might
happen if a young child’s parent (or sibling,
etc) were killed by Batman? In the world of
Gotham City, events can create domino effects
long into the future, and the path of
vengeance isn’t solely Batman’s domain. If
death and revenge can create a Batman, they
can (and indeed did) create the opposite effect
as well. Batman can’t know whether this or
that criminal has a family or friends who
might be scarred for life and set on a path of
vengeance if Batman kills the criminal, giving
rise to some terrible new monster in Gotham.
Batman has no idea who the Joker really is/
was, and knows nothing about whether the
Joker has any family out there somewhere
who some day could come seeking a twisted,
hateful sort of revenge for Joker’s death. Joker
has obsessive followers, though, who have
carried out all manner of missions and
destruction in the name of the Joker — what
might they be compelled to do by their insane
obsession, if Batman actually killed the Joker?
And in fact, there is a young woman who
claims to be the Joker’s daughter, who has
gone on rampages in Gotham City after the
Joker seemed to have disappeared and
possibly died.
So Batman is aware that his actions have
consequences that could create a similar,
mirror version of his own tragic past, if he
allows himself to kill. The danger of Batman’s
actions giving rise to an alternate form of
vengeance in Gotham City is another part of
his decision not to kill. He draws that line,
makes that rule, and he cannot make
exceptions because any exception establishes
a precedent and the danger of crossing that
line again, and inevitably the outcome could
lead to tragedy for which Batman would have
to shoulder the blame, more so than any claim
that he is supposedly “at fault” for the Joker’s
crimes if he doesn’t kill the Joker. At the very
least, having lived a life of loss and trauma
over the death of family, Batman personally
feels it to be the worst sort of evil and crime,
and so if he himself kills other people then he
would become the very worst thing in his own
mind, the very thing that created him and
which he vowed to fight against.
https://www.quora.com/Why-doesnt-Batman-just-kill-The-Joker

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